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In our third episode, we sit down with Brad Hargreaves, the CEO and founder of co-living company Common, at a Brooklyn Caribbean eatery called Glady’s. We talk about underserved segments of the housing market, the widening gap between rents and wages — and convincing lenders that the co-living business model isn’t some “kooky” thing.

“Since 2008, rents have gone up by over 10% across the entire United States. Nominal wages have gone down 7%. So just that delta between wage growth and rent is going to accelerate,” he said during the conversation. "It’s a crisis point now. So I think you've tipped the scales where a lot of developers are saying, ‘Wait, I can't just bring on more luxury studios one- and two-bedroom apartments.'"